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Six Flags Qiddiya | Saudi Arabia | Theme Park

So they slow it down before the drop down the cliff, then speed it up at the bottom of the drop, then slow it down again at the top of the big bunny hill?

Quite a bit of manipulation going on with the natural pace of the ride.

Doesn't look like it's going more than 80 mph through the circuit around the border of the park, and with the long drawn out elements, will probably be most similar to Millenium Force pacing than anything.
 
CaliAngel said:
So they slow it down before the drop down the cliff, then speed it up at the bottom of the drop, then slow it down again at the top of the big bunny hill?

Quite a bit of manipulation going on with the natural pace of the ride.

Doesn't look like it's going more than 80 mph through the circuit around the border of the park, and with the long drawn out elements, will probably be most similar to Millenium Force pacing than anything.
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Yes, it has trims over the cliff drop (to create that (literal) cliffhanger effect), then it launches downhill to hit 155mph and claim the speed record, then it immediately needs to trim off some of that speed. Same idea as Formula Rossa, it doesn't NEED to go that fast.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the videos going around are of the very first test cycle. The post-camelback section does appear unnaturally slow, especially the curve into the brake run, so I'm willing to bet it's because it hasn't broken in yet. Let's check back in a few months & see how much it speeds up.
 
Wait, where are the trims? Right after the launch? Really?
I thought I noticed a downward launch in the animation, which I did not understand. But i never knew there were trims. I would really hate it if it's right after the launch... Same with Formula Rossa. I always preferred Kingda Ka as the record holder, since it really makes full use of the speed and height. This feels like a lame cheat only to break a record... Same with those polar coaster concepts.
Not that I will ever ride any of these coasters 😅 So I am quite aware that I am acting like some kind of armchair elitist here (if that makes sense).

But really, does is need the launch? Does it not make enough speed, diving from that massive cliff, to make the hill? I understand it in case of a rollback, but it should have enough speed on its own right? The layout is insane as it is and should easliy break the records fair and square.
 
Surely it's going to need a fair bit of the 155mph to clear the 519ft hill? Formula Rossa's problem is that it's all less than 200ft tall, right?

I had always assumed the trims were on the downhill section of the hill, so the rest of the layout is more manageable. But then again, I've never really studied the POVs that closely.
 
Hixee said:
Surely it's going to need a fair bit of the 155mph to clear the 519ft hill? Formula Rossa's problem is that it's all less than 200ft tall, right?

I had always assumed the trims were on the downhill section of the hill, so the rest of the layout is more manageable. But then again, I've never really studied the POVs that closely.
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The hill is insane, but I always assumed that the drop off the cliff was significantly taller. I find it hard to judge these heights from the pictures and videos.
Trimming the ride a bit after that massive hill would make a lot more sense. That means it puts its speed to some good use and it will really add something to the ride experience. Still, the remaining layout looks so drawn out that I always assumed there was no trimming involved.
 
I had not realised before that at the bottom of the 519ft drop there is a *launch*, that is absolutely ridiculous and I love it
 
CloudRuben said:
Wait, where are the trims? Right after the launch? Really?
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Yep, there's quite a few as it rises up into the big hill.
Hixee said:
I had always assumed the trims were on the downhill section of the hill, so the rest of the layout is more manageable.
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Nope, as far as I can tell, there are none on the downhill side of the big hill, and the rest of the layout is free-coasting off a 500+ft drop (until the hill that travels over the park entrance path, at the very end of the ride).
CloudRuben said:
The hill is insane, but I always assumed that the drop off the cliff was significantly taller.
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I could be misremembering, but I believe the cliff is like 603ft and the hill is like 535ft. Or at least in that ballpark. On a normal sized coaster, that ~70ft height difference would be more than enough for the train to make it over the next hill. The scale of this ride is just so foreign that I suspect it does need some extra speed, but not all 155mph of it, hence the trims.
 
Thanks for the clear explanation! That makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, this is such an abnormal project, normal conventions don't really work here. I can imagine that a 70 ft height difference is not enough to make it over the hill, given the ridiculous speed, the long an rather shallow drop and the resistances working on the train (air & rolling resistance).
So why not make the drop a bit less tall so the train would make it without an additional launch? Because it would not break the speed record if they did. Why not? Because there is another coaster which immediately hits the brakes right after reaching its top speeld 😑 We live in a silly world... I did not realize that Formula Rossa is only a bit slower.

It's amazing that there are no trims afger the massive hill. I can imagine that this is what fans dreamed of for years. What would happen if TTD, Kinda Ka or Red Force did not hit the brakes right after the top hat? This is it.
I am still sceptical though. I would be surprised if it will stay open for longer than a year or two, if it opens at all. This is such a massive project with so many possible points of failure in a challenging environment.. Only time will tell
 
Yeah, for reference, a 603ft drop would 'only ' lead to a top speed of 134mph, assuming no resistances. Given it won't be 603ft, plus friction, air resistance and whatever else it would be lower than that theoretical number and not close to topping Rossa.

Another reason for a launch at the bottom is it means it's a recovery position and a place the train can safely stop. My understanding is the train is incapable of stopping atop the cliff because it would take about 20 minutes for staff to even travel to the area, which is not ideal in an emergency situation (especially given the weather conditions). Hence they have the bottom as the block section and can recover appropriately.
 
JoshC. said:
Yeah, for reference, a 603ft drop would 'only ' lead to a top speed of 134mph, assuming no resistances.
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That's crazy. So Formula Rossa is crazy fast 😅

The launch also makes more sense now. I expected retracktable fins or something in case of a stall. Having a permanent launch is probalby more reliable and cheaper. Voltron basically does the same thing right?

I can also imagine that there a minimum length for the launch to get it back up to speed after a rollback. The alternatieve would be to take 20+ swings. That would make an argument for the largest swingend ship ride in the world 😂
 
CloudRuben said:
I can also imagine that there a minimum length for the launch to get it back up to speed after a rollback. The alternatieve would be to take 20+ swings. That would make an argument for the largest swingend ship ride in the world 😂
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Keep in mind that swings will have less power than just a single launch.
a) the LSMs heat up the more power is being used, and on a swing launch there is way less time for them to cool down in between accelerations.
b) the breaking will also add some heat, however, you can simply wait a bit before relaunching to get rid of this issue
c) LSMs have a different internal setup, depending on the expected speed of the train. This position makes it very reasonable to expect that most, if not all of them are tuned for extreme speeds, making them less effective (and efficient) upon relaunching a stalled train.

I still can't wrap my head around that this thing might actually open. This is such a ridicoulus project, something that 12 year old me would've dreamed of with RCT back in the days.
I enjoy Formula Rossa way more than I should, because of this insane sense of speed. And this thing will have significantly less trimming involved and a more modern layout that might make more use of the speed than FR does. Gosh, this thing might get into my Top 10...
 
Love the reboot launch sequence - they'll just make that default for Falcon's Flight 2: the Falconing. 😜

The "unnatural" pacing of the braking and accelerating could yield even cooler results than letting the drop be regular, gravity-feed. I've always been interested to see what the drop angle transitions would feel like (e.g., great, vertical drop, but quickly goes to a simple downward incline); I'd anticipate that yoinking launch at the tail end to truly feel like yet another launch, rather than a mere gaining of speed down the drop. Really excited to see if that has some weird g-force vibes!
 
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